wanting to try the epoxy propagation

[jinenon]

Thanks for the help on the shrooms. I understand how to propagate but i am still unsure about attatching the frag to another piece once the shroom has taken hold. The only epoxy i could find says it takes an hour to "cure". How do you accomplish this without killing the Shroom?

I also have a frag of zoos that keep getting plowed by my snails. Can you use the epoxy or superglue at the base of the zoo to reattach it to the frag?

Thanks,
Jesse

[Teeka01]

I have never tried the epoxy. But I can tell you the gel superglue works great. I have used this a couple of times now. You just have to leave it out of the water for a couple of minutes with the gel superglue.

[FragOutpost]

What kind of epoxy do you have?
There are basically two kinds of epoxy. The first comes in a clay like stick that has an inner core that is a different color that the outer layer. This stuff is great to use for mounting frags in the tank and most epoxies of this type have a working time of about 10-20 minutes before it gets becomes hard and is no longer able to be molded. Just break off a piece and mix with your fingers until it is uniform in color.

The second type of epoxy is a gel type that comes in a big syringe like applicator where the two different types of gel meet and become one when you squeeze it out. I have never tried this stuff before because I have yet to find some that says on the package that it is suitable for potable water. I have heard of others using it before with no problems.

So to answer your question...Generally if I can take the item to be glued out of the tank then I will use superglue to make the bond. If not then I use the epoxy. If you have a shroom that is attached to some rubble then just use some superglue to glue the rubble to a larger rock. Shrooms are extremely hardy and will most likely not be bothered by any epoxy. If you have some loose zoanthid polyps then use some superglue on the foot of the zoanthid and glue it to some rubble. Just make sure that you do not get any glue on the head or mouth of the polyp. It will likely die if you do. Tweezers will make this job easier.

Another thing to remember when using the clay like epoxy is that large amounts of it will make your skimmer go crazy so be sure to keep an eye on your skimmer for 24 hours after using the epoxy and turn it down if necessary.

Hope this helps!

[FragOutpost]

The downside to the superglue gel is that once it comes in contact with water it almost cures instantly. If only someone would invent some superglure that works underwater!?!

[jinenon]

ok i tried the epoxy yesterday and its holding my live rock pieces pretty good. The kind i used is "Pc-Marine epoxy putty". It is the clay type that you have to knead then cure for an hour. I could not find anything at any store that actually said "safe for potable/drinking water". Although, this epoxy said its "safe for water and stock tanks, fish boxes and pools". So, I'm assuming its safe for fish although i have not put the liverock frags back in the tank yet til i heard from you guys.
Thanks for the input on the superglue. I think im gonna go for that since it has a short cure time and i am assuming you dont take a risk of killing a zoo or shroom because of leaving it out of water too long waiting for the glue to cure. BTW- how long does it take for super glue to cure before you can put your frag back in the tank without harming other inhabitants?

*The picture below* The white dot zoos are what i want to transfer to the new piece of live rock i just pieced together.

[jinenon]

sorry forgot the pic

[FragOutpost]

Most epoxies are safe to use. The kind that I use I get from lowes and it specifically says safe to use for potable water. I'm sure that the stuff that you have is fine for use in your tank. You can leave corals out of the tank for quite a while without adverse effects. Some reefs in nature are actually exposed for several hours at low tide in direct sunlight. Superglue will usually form a good bond after a few minutes and then can be placed back in the tank. I would guess around three to five minutes. You could probably leave mushrooms out of water for at least an hour without any problems. Not that I recommend it but you shouldn't have any problems.

[jinenon]

Thank you "Frag" and everyone else. You guys are a well of knowledge and I appreciate everything you have done for me.

Jesse